Frame 35A72:
Plus pyramids (notice the "tipped" shadows):
Pyramids of Gizha (UP), and pyramids of Cydonia (DOWN): :lol:
AND HERE'S THE LIE.
Comparison 1:
Comparison 2:
Comparison 3:
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Well, I perfectly know what some childish anonymous rockers will do of this thread.
Why starting it so?
It's simple, just for readers to see the clearly visible LIE.
No replies needed.
If anyone is open minded enough to actually CONSIDER the possibility that NASA is NOT lying, here is a link to the most recent MSSS page on the "face"
http://www.msss.com/mars_images/moc/01_31_01_releases/cydonia/
Raw image from 2001:
http://www.msss.com/moc_gallery/e01_e06/images/E03/E0300824.html
www.msss.com/moc_gallery/e01_e06/ images /E03/E0300824.html
http://www.msss.com/moc_gallery/e01_e06/full_jpg_non_map/E03/E0300824.jpg
www.msss.com/moc_gallery/e01_e06/ full_jpg_non_map /E03/E0300824.jpg
We've been through this idiocy again and again.
Higher-resolution photos show that the "face" is a mesa. The photos that seem to suggest "face" are lower-resolution.
Same thing with the pyramids. There is a book out right now, coffee-table picture-book size, showing a huge, high-resolution photo of the so-called "face" and the "pyramid." Both are obviously natural formations.
Get over your delusions, Favonio. Real life does not care about them.
uh... The high resolution photos (and the non-photographic LASER ALTIMETER DATA ) are definitely of the same formation.
And I have a 100% way of verifying that - so simple and logical - that not even Favonio can delude his way out of it. Using the images on the top of this link (below) - I can instantly transfrom the 2001 image into an identical analog of the 1976 - with no computer processing. And it works 100% of the time.
http://www.msss.com/mars_images/moc/extended_may2001/face/index.html
http://www.msss.com/mars_images/moc/extended_may2001/face/viking_moc_face_20m.gif
The Cydonia region certainly has some interesting features, but how can anyone be sure what they really are until we examine them more closely?
Daniel, the frame you used for comparison in Reply #4 and #5 - which is different from mine - is clearly doctored too, for me.
Use the frame 35A72, please.
They're Rocks, higher resolutions do not change shapes nor modify borders.
Oh well, am I really trying to explain to TR that? :confused:
Gingle, I don't know if Reply #6 is mear irony.
Anyway it's not offensive, thanks.
Ahh - so you do alledge a massive Nasa cover up on the issue, involving MSSS, JPL, MGS teams, MO teams, Themis teams, MEX teams the other side of the pond, and in due course obviously it will have to involved the HiRise teams and the rest of the MRO scientists
At least you always get one thing with Favonio - a good laugh
Doug
I am not doing that, AT ALL.
I just think there are FEW people which are covering such an important truth (past civilization on Mars) to us (the world) AND TO 99.99% OF NASA ITSELF.
Photographs from Mars are sawn by few people at first.
The ones who choose what's "good" and what's "bad".
What has to be released and what has not.
And you, Doug, with your illogical faith in what you believe - inspite of evidence - you are helping them a lot.
See, see how they manipulate public opinion and so-called scientists: http://science.nasa.gov/headlines/y2001/ast24may_1.htm
Irony, vignettes.
Money has been spent over years by an agency in order to debunk a claim that - according to you - is ridiculous and didn't need to be debunked.
Why have they pressed forward so long?
Because it's simply evident.
The Face, on the first '76 frame.
And the tampering, 20 years after and now.
At least you always get one thing with Favonio - a good laugh
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Now you laugh.
After you will suffer, a lot.
I hope I'll avoid to mock you upset guys.
"After you will suffer, a lot."
Well - after laughing that hard for a while, one's sides being to ache I agree.
The 'small' number of people issue simply doesnt work Fav - too many people are involved in missions not only at NASA but in ESA as well. Sorry - the very principle of an image editing conspiracy is illogical faith :)
doug
Just a little thought..
Let us just assume (wrongly) that infact, the scientists and engineers at MSSS and JPL for MGS, the THEMIS teams at ASU, MSSS and JPL, the HRSC teams at ESA and DLR, and in the future, the HiRISE team at ASU, the Crism team at JHU, and MSSS again for the Context imager, as well, again, as JPL for MRO..(thousands of people - quite simply what you alledge could physically not happen without the direct involvement of dozens of people at many levels) let's assume they're all involved in this big conspiracy to intercept, edit, and re-release imagery of the 'face' to make it look less face-like..
Why?
What's the point?
What purpose does such a cover up serve?
And if they wanted to hide the Face on Mars - would they not have done so with the first Viking imagery?
There is no valid justification for such a cover up to occur, there is no actual evidence that such a cover up occurs, and there is no means by which such a coverup could occur without the involvement of hundreds of people, at multiple institutions, two totally different space agencies, and half a dozen different educational bodies.
Given that you insist such a cover up occurs - can you share with us how and why it does?
Doug
Nooooooooooo.
It is not possible that everyone at JPL, at MSSS is involved in this cover-up.
Answer me, Doug: hasn't got Malin himself the privilege of seeing images from Mars before everyone else could do on this world?
That's not a rhetoric question, I am really asking to you.
"hasn't got Malin himself the privilege of seeing images from Mars before everyone else could do on this world?"
Yes - quite OBVIOUSLY Mike Malin personally views each and every image from MOC NA, MOC WA (which he built) , Themis IR (which he didnt), Themis Vis (which he did) , and the HRSC (which isnt even his instrument was built in a totally different country by a different space agency) And yup - he'll be there at ASU for the HiRISE imagery - to be the first to see, and then edit imagery from a camera that isnt even his.
Just the 187,000 MOC images, and 66,000 Themis images that he inspects, personally, before ANYONE else EVER sees them because he lives infront of his comptuer. He never has a holiday (incase something comes in while he's away ) - never has a weekend ( MOC doesnt) and never goes home incase he misses the imagery from a downlink.
Sorry - Makin Malin does NOT see very image before everyone else in the world - the concept is quite stupid, and as a physical act, near impossible.
It's just possible that he was the first person to view the new MOC imagery of the Face on Mars - but just as likely that another MSSS employee on shift at the time of downlink did so. It's quite unlikely he was the first to see the Themis imagery, and an impossibility that he was/will be the first to view any HRSC imagery from MEX.
Of course, with 253,000 images to check for anything artificial, he must be a busy boy, 115 images EVERY single day for the past 6 yeras or so. Must be a dab hand with photoshop as well, to do all that editing on his own - quite the artist dont you agree?
If Malin is actually the only person involved, then dont you think his colleagues would be wondering why he spends so long with Photoshop open?
And I'll ask this question again Fav, you ignored it last time..
WHY?
Why go to all that trouble?
Doug
If Mike Malin is the ONLY person who does this - then why havnt the likes of Hoagland or others gone thru official channels to find out the truth? Surely if it's just a one man conspiracy, then 'the power that be' have no reason to obstruct such an act..
and again, I'll ask
If the concept of a face on mars is so shocking - why was the orig Viking imagery released, and why do you think this whole cover up exists at all - for what purpose?
Doug
You pose right questions, Doug.
Do you think I did not pose them too to myself?
The fact is, that Malin has a privilege that he shouldn't have got at all, if there isn't indeed nothing to cover.
I mean, it wouldn't be much more simple and clear to release original raw data without delay times for every image?
An don't tell me they do that way.
Why NASA "headmen" don't simply stop with such a suspicious behaviour?
Mike Malin is not the ONLY person, obviously. But it is involved, it is HUGELY involved.
Anyway, I don't think checking 115 Mars images per day is not such a terrible effort.
I'd pay for seeing them before everyone else on Earth...
And I'm not saying he is carefully watching every picture in order to assure himself there's not "sensationally evident" in them.
He is obviously helped by someone.
It's not a joke. He has got a privilege, but he is doing what he's doing toghether with other people.
But sometimes some items are forgotten...
>>> WHY?
>>> Why go to all that trouble?
History hasn't thaught you anything?
Through the most sensational cover-ups and LIES of history the most people aimed to something population cannot even figure out.
You know that medieval citizens posed once your same questions when some among them claimed that the King was doing or was about to do something unbelievable?
You think this is a beatiful Truth & Trust world.
Ohhh, until 90% of people in the so-called "advanced nations" aim for money ONLY, dear Doug, there is no one so trustworthy.
And there is much more: have you ever thought of "mental cracks" that such a discovery would produce on the mind of true [false] believers, of orthodox and closed scientists, of people like They're Rocks... ?
Are you realizing what I mean when I speak of "fear", "rage"?
>>> If the concept of a face on mars is so shocking - why was the orig Viking imagery released, and why do you think this whole cover up exists at all - for what purpose?
That is a good question.
I personally think that once - dozens of years ago - NASA included much more "flexible" people within, and above all the Space Agency wasn't so manipulated as it is nowadays.
Remember that some Viking images got changed afterwards, and that the Frame 35A72 was pointed out by a NASA guy who got immediately dismissed...
Er, why am I saying that to you? You have got a "blind trust" on NASA, that you do not even recognize clearly suspicious behaviours and acts. :confused:
OH - so it's not JUST Mike Malin...
So how many people are involved, and how do you level the fact that there must be some sort of conspiracy crossing the pond to involved ESA as well?
Doug
Daniel, the frame you used for comparison in Reply #4 and #5 - which is different from mine - is clearly doctored too, for me.
Right... of course... they're fake. How... convenient... that whenever someone points out something inconsistent to your faith, its fake. :roll:
There have been scientists like Zuber that spend more time than they wanted to investigating the Cydonia region, just because of the idiotic ideas of pyramids and such, I don't even want to discuss the face :roll: It's a good thing there's not to many people around like this moron or an open data policy would cease to exist. Accusing Nasa of manipulating images.tsss
This has been said before a hundred times but here goes again; why would they manipulate images when they know very well there are plenty of techniques to uncover such things?
I hope MRO gets there well and safe. Maybe it'll stop people from blowing up images, oh I'm being naïve now.
:lol:
And there is much more: have you ever thought of "mental cracks" that such a discovery would produce on the mind of true [false] believers, of orthodox and closed scientists, of people like They're Rocks... ? Are you realizing what I mean when I speak of "fear", "rage"?
You are so pathetic. Nothing would delight me more than to discover life on Mars, and especiallyevidence of an ancient civilization. This goes for everyone. Not that your stupid ad hom attack has any logical validity, anyway. You still don't know what an ad hom is, do you?
Now, as to resolution: High-resolution photos bring out DETAILS that lower resolution photos glob together. The high-rez photos of the mesa show NO FACE, no sculpted work, no bilateral symmetry, NOTHING remotely resembling an eye, nose, mouth or anything else. Same for the pyramid: the lines that appear straight at lower rez are shown to be wobbly and irregular; and there are no regular angles or porportions that we'd except from artificial design. The "pyramid" is an ordinary multi-sided hill, the kind that are routinely found on both earth and Mars.
You know these facts yourself, which is precisely why you must insist on claiming that the photos were tampered with! How idiotic does this get? You simply DECIDE that the original, low-rez photos show artificial structures, and then any later data that refutes these claims must be false, according to you! Oh, gee, I can play that game, too: I hold that the ORIGINAL photos were doctored to make it seem as if a face were there. Now prove me wrong!